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  June JW Broadcast - Jehovah's & Jesus' names Are Interchangeable!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mr. geoffrey jackson hosts this month's propaganda-fest, and uses a favourite catchphrase of the org - "by extension" - to get out of the dead-end which the scriptwriters had put him in.

  he quotes matthew 10:22 - "and you will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my [jesus'] name; but he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.".

  mr. jackson knows only too well that probably no j.w.

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  The new JW catchphrase ~

  "Overlapping extension" !!

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  What triggered your doubts / awakening?

  by Tornintwo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am sort of new here, used a different username for a while but things got 'difficult' at home so i've since been lurking.... what i would be really interested to know, if you don't mind sharing, is what it was that triggered your doubts and initial research which led to awakening, was it a bad experience, injustice, changed doctrine?

  for me, it was seeing mistreatment of young ones in the congregation, they're under so much pressure and as soon as they go even slightly astray they are shunned, either informally (as bad associations which pushes them further into the 'world') or formally - with elders dying to throw the book at them so they even lose their family.... ...then reading about child abuse issues in the press.... ...which led me to silentlambs.

  ...then jw facts, this forum and coc, wham!

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  Legalism!

  And with EVERY active JW that I mentioned about this, not a single one denied that it exists in the organization.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  JWTALK - They never asked them to take it down? Do they allow it?

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i recently came across jwtalk and realized it is a huge place that very "prominent" jw post and talk on.. the wt never contacted them and asked them to take it down because it wasn't "official"?

  i thought people were only supposed to go to jw.org for religious matters?.

  does anyone have any information on if/why this website is allowed to be up and have so many higher up jw posting on it without the wt contacting or writing in publications on how we shouldn't be on websites such as that?.

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  Yeah, the same type of "higher ups" that post here

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  UK Branch visit 2015

  by tamagotchi in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  anyone know anything about it?

  apparently it's going to be broadcast live nationally to all the congregations this saturday

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  There will also be a "special meeting" in Japan this Saturday (April 25th) with a visiting Governing Body member. This too will be a national broadcast to all congregations.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Archive you might want!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here is an old archive you might want.. reexamine archive.

  .. nevada.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  Wealth of damning information. Thanks for sharing.
  
  I tell you, I'm convinced more and more that my seperation for the WT company has been one of my best choices ever!
  
  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  I'm not trying to brag, but being an EXJW is awesome!!! Status Update-

  by Coffee House Girl in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello jwn!

  i don't get to check in here or comment as often as i would like because i have been working so hard at school...but i just have to share my news in hopes that newbees can see that taking the leap to enroll in higher education is worth it-.

  i am graduating this spring with a bachelor degree in art history, minor anthropology...many people (including nonjw's have given me flack for choosing a "dead end" career path) but since leaving the watchtower organization's group-think mentality and "leaning on my own understanding" instead... i decided to say fuck everyone else's opinion...i am going to pursue my passion to work in a museum as a curator or archivist-.

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  This is the kind of experience that gives me the impetus to keep away from the soul dragging life of a robotic drone JW.

  A hearty congratulations and the best for your bright future!

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Talked to JW's in Service Today (kinda long...sorry)

  by exwhyzee in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was in my company vehicle and i spotted some jw's going from door to door.. i circled around the block and pulled over.

  when they passed, i rolled down the .

  window and asked the pleasant looking middle aged couple as they passed, if they were jehovah's .

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  Tactfully done, with proper intentions and a sincere demeanor. Certainly something that they will chew on for some time to come.

  I learned from your "method". I think it will work, especially on the tired ol' JW souls who have experienced the changing of the WT doctrinal tides.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  I did it !!!!

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  7 years ago i started on a path i had long ago given up on as impossible.

  i met with my elders and told them i could not justify carrying on as a jw.

  i went and got my high school qualifications and my higher education diploma (a levels with distinction) in just 12 months.

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  Hip Hip Hooray!

  Very inspiring for all of us.

  The best to you and your future ~

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Top 10: Apostate Power Rankings -Who are/were the best apostates?

  by kneehighmiah in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i only know a few like franz.

  i rank him #1. then theres that jwsurvey guy and jwfacts guy.

  and the silent lambs lady.

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  Gary Busselman

  (aka garybuss on JWD/JWN) http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/member/2848

  I sure miss his posts.

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  Overwhelming Fear of Death

  by Perversion of a truth in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do any of the posters on here deal with this?

  i do, and i hate it.

  people (mostly my brother) tells me to not fear death and just to enjoy life and so on, but that doesn't seem to help any.

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  Like you, I had trouble fathoming the thought of my own non-existence......especially in the wake of being raised as a JW with the bright and wonderful prospect of never ever growing old and dying. Now, I'm rapidly approaching 50 years of age.

  Years ago I saved this piece from a JWN poster.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)

  DEATH

  So you have a problem.

  All problems are feelings.

  In your case the feeling is one of a discrepancy between the way things are and the way you'd like them to be.

  You'd like to be immortal and you realize you're mortal.

  You imagine things about what that means.

  What does death mean?

  It means the absence of life.

  Certainly if you're dead you won't be perturbed, as you'll not be.

  So it isn't really the business of being dead that you find disturbing, but rather the contemplation of deadness in the here and now.

  You can change the way you think about it without denying its eventuality.

  Before you were born you were effectively non-existent.

  Dead.

  After you die it will be the same.

  So you certainly don't fear the past, where you didn't exist, so why fear the future where you will not exist either?

  Perhaps it's a sense of lost opportunity.

  You could think of whether it is true that experiences bring gain.

  Suppose they don't.

  Suppose it's an illusion, that these various stimulations which existence provides will bring about a sense of "ahhh, that's better than not having these"

  Perhaps you could examine the self.

  Do you have a continuous self now?

  Are you the same you that was the infant?

  Are you the young man that you were when you were ten?

  Or are both of these individuals dead, and you possess their memories.

  Perhaps you are nothing but a series of snapshots and the "self" is just a series of these notes played in a certain sequence.

  Visit the cemetary near you. Look at the stones, and the names.

  See your own.

  What's the difference between you above them and the decayed bodies below the surface.

  Go for a walk along a highway.

  See a recent carcass of an animal.

  Go by and see it again and again until it's gone.

  Know that will happen to the body your sensation of self for the moment resides in.

  Look at the sky at night when you can see the stars.

  Know that some of these have already burned out and what you see are visual echoes of dead stars.

  Know that if you were a star and gave off light, perhaps someone far away would see you shine and think...But are they still alive...one day they will die.

  Explore the ways others have dealt with death and dying.

  Know that feelings are impermanent - both good and bad feelings. The worst of these estimated to pass in at most 3-4 months. The best of these fade too.

  You remain you.

  And then you die.

  All the time.

  Sometimes you notice, and sometimes not.

  Death comes and flakes you away like a soap bar in the water.

  The image fades through the soap.

  Ask yourself if others are living.

  Ask yourself if you want to know the truth of be content with a lie.

  Jesus himself said in John 12:24 - "most truly I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains just one grain; but if it dies, it then bears much fruit. He that is fond of his soul destroys it..." in so saying this, he indicated among other things that the business of true living involves death.

  Fighting a natural process is self destructive.

  The answer to death is to embrace change and become something new, something more.

  If you spend yourself in this way being true to whatever grain of "wheat" you happen to be, then when you die, there will be no loss - not for you or anyone else.

  This universe isn't a bag with holes.

  What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.